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Cemetery concept art by Tad Ehrlich.[1]

The primary means to remove corruption is through death. Multiple deaths may be necessary to remove all corruption.[2][3][4] – Steven Sharif

Corruption score is granted by killing other non-combatants. That corruption score whittles away slowly based off of experience gained or death had.[2]
Any experience that's gained by the player, whether it be through achievements in crafting, or in adventuring, or through other types of achievements: All of that experience goes towards your adventuring class experience gained; and then some experience can dual purpose towards professions as well. So if I reach an achievement in my crafting profession and that grants me additional experience within that profession to rank up, it will also grant the same amount of experience over in my adventuring level; and to that point, anytime you gain adventuring experience you tick away at the corruption.[6] – Steven Sharif
  • A quest may be utilized to reduce the player kill (PK) count of a corrupt player in order for them to accumulate less corruption score in the future.[8][5]
    • This is a design shift from a religious quest being used to directly reduce the corruption score.[9]
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Player corruption

Corrupted player in the Alpha-1 preview.[11]

When you gain that corruption you have the potential of losing your completed items, your weapon, your armor, stuff that is very difficult to achieve; and then the other aspect of that is, that in order to deter basically players taking alternate characters and saying this is my PK alt, the more players you kill, the more corruption you gain, the higher your combat efficacy in PVP diminishes. If you're out there and you killed 20 players... you will not be able to perform in PVP any longer. You will need to take that character and go work off that corruption. The other aspect of corruption is that if you kill another player, who is a non-combatant and the level disparity between you and that player is great, you will gain a higher amount of corruption from that single kill. To the point where you should not be killing a level one character.[12] – Steven Sharif

If a combatant (purple) character, or their summon, kills (PKs) a non-combatant (green) character, or any of their controlled entities, in Open-world PvP, they will be flagged as corrupted (red).[2][13][14][15] Corruption gained for killing controlled entities is a lower value than killing players.[13] Player corruption is a status effect (status condition).[16]

There is no incentive to go corrupt... There's zero incentive for a player to go red. It actually gives you negatives for doing that- very significant downsides.[17] – Steven Sharif
It is my expectation that the system will perform very well in keeping risk alive, but significantly curtailing or deterring the ability for players to grief.[19] – Steven Sharif
  • A player's corruption score (corruption value) increases with each non-combatant player killed.[2][18][20][21][22] Corruption score has a scaling impact on the efficacy of a character's skills in PvP combat.[23][24][25] The higher the corruption score:
    The more corruption you gain, the less effective you become in PvP and there's going to be a certain period at which point you have gained enough corruption that you're going to be gearless and you're also going to have a massive reduction in your PvP efficacy.[26] – Steven Sharif
    If you go on a murder spree and you have 10 pks under your belt then you might start feeling a significant dampening to your skill effects against other players. I don't want to give necessarily a number or curve for players to extrapolate prior to us having the ability to actually test these ideas and where those numbers are going to lie; but I would say what is the intent behind that dampening: The intent isn't to limit the fun of the player, the intent is to provide a give-and-take or a risk-versus-reward; and the risk of continuing down the road of accruing corruption is not only the loss of your gear and amplified death effects but also your ability to perform in that activity.[30] – Steven Sharif
    • Corruption penalties occur as the corruption is gained.[31]
Blight is essentially a cumulative PK score that gets kept track of as a stat on your character and even if you have no corruption but you've killed 30 people over the last five days, and you worked off that corruption, your 31st kill will accrue much faster corruption, and so will your 32nd and 33rd regardless of your corruption states. So that is intended to to help curtail the amount of corruption that's happening.[33] – Steven Sharif
You can't necessarily time perfectly the damage or understand even the health of the player. Unless you were in their party you cannot see an opponent's health as well, so that's another component that adds risk..[35] – Steven Sharif
  • Corruption during Alpha-2 is actively being iterated on. It will likely be over-tuned be more debilitating to compensate for players who are not concerned with losing gear or progression during a testing phase.[36][37]
The corruption system has been something that we have prioritized iteration on over the course of these last few weeks as, of course, there is a competing problem with corruption right now, in the sense that 1) it's not fully feature complete, but 2) we're also in a temporary phase of development being in Alpha, where a lot of player perspective on their gear potential loss and/or progression loss that corruption is supposed to deter for is just not as strong hitting in an Alpha environment, where people are willing to lose their character. So, in that sense we're going to balance a little bit perhaps overbalance for corruption during the testing period.[36] – Steven Sharif
  • Corrupted players may kill bounty hunters without acquiring additional corruption score.[44][45]
    • Corrupted player's combat penalties do not apply when battling bounty hunters.[44]
  • There is a 60 second timer to logout while corrupt. Force-disconnecting the client during the cooldown will leave the character in-game.[24][48]
Q: Will there be any large-scale consequences when many players in a group guild region religion etc become corrupted frequently or for an extended period of time?
A: There are not group dynamics or mechanics that revolve around mass murdering people in the world. The corruption system is intended to deter mass murdering, not to provide incentives by which players can go out and gain corruption.[49] – Steven Sharif
Q: If my guild has no one corrupted and your guild is like always killing people and always corrupted, will your guild have repercussions because they're corrupted versus my guild?
A: No I don't think so either. And the reason why is we want to deter it, but we don't want to make the system meaningless; and if the deterrent becomes too heavy-handed then it's a system without a purpose. And I think that the intent behind the corruption is that like during a rise in passion and like anger and whatever you want to make this decision and do something and you'll suffer the repercussions later. But if those repercussions are just overwhelmingly bad and even anti-social in the sense that like your guild is like hey man you went corrupted and this gives us like corruption points on the guild, and like you're out of here, then people just aren't going to choose to use it; and then at which point might as well just take it out. So I think there's a healthy balance between the type of deterrent used.[50] – Steven Sharif
  • There are no plans currently to introduce policies or mechanics for players to designate specific areas as corruption-free or "high stakes" zones.[51][52]
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  • Corruption has a visible effect on a player’s appearance.[56]

Corruption score

Corruption score (corruption value) tracks the aggregate amount of player corruption a character has accumulated due to the PvP flagging system.[20]

  • A player’s corruption score increases with each non-combatant player killed.[20][21][22] The wider the level disparity between the players, and the higher the attacker's Blight, the more corruption they gain.[20][21][22]
  • Corruption score has a scaling impact on the efficacy of a character's skills in PvP combat.[25] The higher the corruption score, the more corruption penalties are gained.[31]
  • Dying removes a significant portion of a player's corruption score.[5]
  • A quest may be utilized to reduce the player kill (PK) count of a corrupt player in order for them to accumulate less corruption score in the future.[2][8][5]
  • Player corruption is a status effect (status condition).[16]
Effect Icon Description
Corruption I Icon.Corruption I.png You are corrupted. Guards will attack you on sight and players will hunt you. Slay monsters or die to reduce your corruption. You deal 25% less damage to non-combatant players. You suffer 25% reduced mitigation, health, and mana. You move 5% slower. You incur 4% XP debt upon death. You drop 25% more resources upon death. You drop 1 to 3 equipped items randomly upon death.
Corruption I I Icon.Corruption II.png You are corrupted. Guards will attack you on sight and players will hunt you. Slay monsters or die to reduce your corruption. You deal 35% less damage to non-combatant players. You suffer 35% reduced mitigation, health, and mana. You move 10% slower. You incur 8% XP debt upon death. You drop 35% more resources upon death. You drop 2 to 3 equipped items randomly upon death.
Corruption I I I Icon.Corruption III.png You are corrupted. Guards will attack you on sight and players will hunt you. Slay monsters or die to reduce your corruption. You deal 45% less damage to non-combatant players. You suffer 45% reduced mitigation, health, and mana. You move 15% slower. You incur 14% XP debt upon death. You drop 45% more resources upon death. You drop 3 to 5 equipped items randomly upon death.
Corruption I V Icon.Corruption IV.png You are corrupted. Guards will attack you on sight and players will hunt you. Slay monsters or die to reduce your corruption. You deal 65% less damage to non-combatant players. You suffer 65% reduced mitigation, health, and mana. You move 20% slower. You incur 20% XP debt upon death. You drop 65% more resources upon death. You drop 3 to 5 equipped items randomly upon death.
Corruption V Icon.Corruption V.png You are corrupted. Guards will attack you on sight and players will hunt you. Slay monsters or die to reduce your corruption. You deal 90% less damage to non-combatant players. You suffer 90% reduced mitigation, health, and mana. You move 25% slower. You incur 30% XP debt upon death. You drop 100% more resources upon death. You drop 3 to 6 equipped items randomly upon death.

Blight

Blight (PK value/PK count/player kill count) tracks the total number of PKs (player kills) a character has committed over the lifetime of its existence.[2][23][32][18][7][20][21]

Blight is essentially a cumulative PK score that gets kept track of as a stat on your character and even if you have no corruption but you've killed 30 people over the last five days, and you worked off that corruption, your 31st kill will accrue much faster corruption, and so will your 32nd and 33rd regardless of your corruption states. So that is intended to to help curtail the amount of corruption that's happening.[33] – Steven Sharif

Player death

Alpha-2 Player death and resurrection during the Beneath the Stone Shadows event.[57]
Alpha-2 Player death UI showing XP debt penalty.[58]

When a player dies they disintegrate into ash. The ashes contain any items lost by the player due to applicable death penalties.[59][60][61][27][62]

We have the concept of introducing flagging as a part of looting a body that is not a member of your raid, party, or guild; and if you do loot that body successfully after the required time you will be flagged and then can become a valid target in PvP.[64]
  • The developers intend to have a visual callout and a minimap indicator to identify a player's own loot pile.[65]
It might even be the case that their particular bag space doesn't have available location for a three-by-one log; and you're a lumberjack and they see you just chopping down these trees and you're like, there's no point in me engaging with this person, because I have nothing to gain due to my capacity.[69] – Steven Sharif
  • There will be a period of time following a player's death before their mule despawns. Other players must kill that player's mule to be able to loot it.[70]
    • If the mule dies its corpse will contain the same percentage of lootable items according to the player's death penalties.[70][71]
  • Death by falling is possible.[74]
    • Fall damage that occurs while mounted will be first applied to the mount; and if the mount dies as a result, then the remaining damage may overflow onto the player, but this will be determined based on testing.[74]

Death penalties

Player death in an open world dungeon in Alpha-1.[78]

There are three primary consequences for dying; and obviously the way you die can influence the balance of those three consequences. First and foremost is you have a death debuff that lasts for you know anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes depend depending on how often you've died. That death debuff is going to have some stat and dampening effects. It's going to influence you negatively. The second thing that you have that happens to you is you acquire experience debt. Experience debt is something that lives on your progression tracker. This is experience debt that you need to go and gain experience in order to recover. Okay, now experience debt- the more you accumulate, the more impact it has stat dampening on your efficacy in battle and this is efficacy in battle with PvP or PvE. It doesn't matter. Now, the ceiling for that is, if you accrue 100% experience debt within a level, you're going to have to work off that 100% experience debt; and you will have roughly 20% max ceiling on how much your efficacy is curbed. The third thing that happens on death is that you drop parts of your material inventory: a percentage of your material inventory. Now, you could drop potentially completed items if you're corrupt when you die, so it depends the state in which you're dying. If you're when you die: if you're participating in PvP, you will suffer less consequences across the board for those three things.[79] – Steven Sharif

Objective-based PvP events accumulate lesser amounts of experience debt on death, but other penalties remain.[79][91] Previously it was stated that death penalties are not applied to event-based deaths.[92][18][93][94][95][96]

Non-corrupt players suffer reduced death penalties in naval PvP (open seas) zones.[34]

  • These penalties will be less than those for a green player.[98]
Q: We know that the normal death penalty incurs a myriad of penalties for the player, but we don't know the numbers behind this penalty. For instance, what percentage of materials do players drop? What percentage of glint is dropped? How severe is the skill and stat dampening? What is the average time it will take a player to work off XP debt from one death?
A: You're asking about percentile values. You're asking about time that it takes to recoup the percentage and whatnot. Any time that we're at a stage we're in now, and that in Alpha-2 we're going to be testing this, those values are the most subject to change. So to be clear, we're going to do [a] best-guess balance pass for Alpha-2 with the full expectation and understanding that the purpose is- and take into consideration player interaction with those numbers, and what feels best. So just off the bat, those values are not what we should be focusing on at this stage; but, to give you an idea where we are: First of all, when we're talking about dropping items that are in your material inventory, whether that be glint or that be other material types, we're talking roughly between anywhere from 20 to 30% of a stack is going to be lootable on a per-death basis. Now, that is a value that can change based off of the types of bags that you are using to carry those materials. In addition, there's other progression that can allow you, and some stats I believe, that can allow you to mitigate that value also. When we are talking about the percentage that's lost, or excuse me, not lost, the percentage of your level that is accrued as experience debt from death, generally you can expect that that's going to live around three to four percent of the level in accrued experience debt per death. However, additionally, there is a way to mitigate that percentage debt; and that is through the resurrection ability that's provided to Clerics. So, Clerics have the ability to resurrect their allies, and that resurrection will return a percentage that would have been accrued as experience debt. And that return percentage is predicated on the investment into the resability [sic], as well as the stat of the Cleric that is tied to the resurrection effect as well. So those can return percentages, so you can mitigate that to a degree. How long will it take you to recover that, and what stat dampening occurs? Anywhere within a level, if you acquire 100% experience debt for that level, you max out the experience debt, essentially, you don't ever buy that down, you're probably looking around a 20% stat efficacy dampener. So on average, if you're at 100% debt for a level, and you got to work all that off before you can start progressing at the level again, you're at around 20% overall stat dampening. Time it takes you to regain that debt is predicated on the level you're at and how you exp. So, that's a highly variable value.[80] – Steven Sharif

Experience debt

Experience debt (negative experience) is a death penalty that scales to approximately 3 to 4 percent of the total XP for that level (subject to change based on testing).[79][80] This was previously stated to be 2 or 3 percent of the total XP for a max level player.[99][100][101][81]

We don't have deleveling, instead what we have is experience debt. Now the more experience debt you accrue, the greater the detriment to your character; not to the point where you can not get out of the debt. There will always be a way forward to remove your debt.[101] – Steven Sharif
Experience debt is the bite of not achieving success. If I die to a monster because my strategy was bad, because my performance was bad, because my planning was bad: all of that means that debt is the cost I pay for the bad choice.[99] – Steven Sharif
  • Experience debt is paid down by the player gaining experience. This applies even to max-level players.[79][103]
Experience debt is something that lives on your progression tracker. This is experience debt that you need to go and gain experience in order to recover.[79] – Steven Sharif
When we are talking about... the percentage of your level that is accrued as experience debt from death, generally you can expect that that's going to live around three to four percent of the level in accrued experience debt per death. However, additionally, there is a way to mitigate that percentage debt; and that is through the resurrection ability that's provided to Clerics. So, Clerics have the ability to resurrect their allies, and that resurrection will return a percentage that would have been accrued as experience debt. And that return percentage is predicated on the investment into the resability [sic], as well as the stat of the Cleric that is tied to the resurrection effect as well. So those can return percentages, so you can mitigate that to a degree.[80] – Steven Sharif
If you accrue 100% experience debt within a level, you're going to have to work off that 100% experience debt; and you will have roughly 20% max ceiling on how much your efficacy is curbed.[79] – Steven Sharif
Experience debt- the more you accumulate, the more impact it has stat dampening on your efficacy in battle and this is efficacy in battle with PvP or PvE. It doesn't matter.[79] – Steven Sharif
Q: Does experience debt at max level interact with rested experience? So, let's say I have experience at max level, will I be able to use rested experience to gain the experience back?
A: Yes. Rested experience is a modifier that occurs when you first receive the experience and then after that modifier happens where that experience goes to buy down the debt is what happens. So, if you have rested experience and you have experience debt and you go out to collect experience, you will be working that debt off faster because of the rested experience.[103] – Steven Sharif
  • Skill points accrue at specific XP milestones to avoid creating an imbalance with experience debt.[106]
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See also

References

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