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Alpha-2 Mage demonstrating a Frostbolt, Lightning Strike, and Wand weapon attack combo.[1]

This is a single Target projectile attack that applies two stacks of Chilled to the enemy; and then after that hit him with a few wand attacks. Now you'll see that you've gotten a Frozen status effect on him and then he timed that really well there... in that very last frame you'll see that he hit him with a lightning effect... So that's a good way to get your burst damage if you're rotating your spells and your elements the correct way.[1]Keenan Reimer

Basic attacks are triggered for the equipped primary weapon by pressing Q or left-clicking the mouse (these buttons can be re-bound by the player).[2][3][4]

  • Different weapon types have different basic attacks.[7][8]
  • Weapons with projectile attacks are capable of blind firing without having a target.[9]
    • If the player is in action camera mode and their reticle is over a target, they will be able to soft lock onto that target, causing projectiles to home to targets who are within the correct range/angle.[9]
When you have your weapon and you utilize a basic attack, you can blind fire that weapon, if it has a projectile associated with it, without having to have a target. In addition, if your reticle in action camera mode is over a target, you will have a soft target lock and projectiles will home to that target if within the right angle of direction.[9]Steven Sharif
Basic attack Icon Weapon Description
Greatsword basic attack Greatsword Auto Attack Icon.png Greatsword
Longbow basic attack Bow basic attack.png Longbow A slower, powerful, longer range basic ranged attack. Tapping the basic attack button will shoot normally. Holding the basic attack button will charge the shot (and root the player) to cause added damage.[12][7][8]
Shortbow basic attack Copper Shortbow Icon.png Shortbow A fast, low power, short range basic ranged attack. Holding down the basic attack button will repeatedly fire.[7][8]
Staff basic attack StaffBasicAttackIcon.png Staff
Wand basic attack WandBasicAttackIcon.png Wand

Weapon combo system

Alpha-2 greatsword weapon combo animation.[13]

Whenever you get stab hits on the third and the fourth hit, those are actually procs. So, if you connect with the second hit of that proc hit you'll receive the additional effects, but you actually have to connect with a monster or player to receive the effect; and I think the proc rate is at a static 25 percent right now. We're looking at other ways to scale that. Maybe it scales with a stat, or maybe it scales with additional nodes, but right now it's kind of low.[14]Brian Ferguson

A weapon combo system (also referred to as Weapon use combo, Weapon attack combo, Weapon combo, and Weapon use ability) is utilized instead of a traditional auto-attack ability in Ashes of Creation.[13][15][1][16][17][18][19]

Let's say for example you're using a two-handed warhammer or something and you have a number of weapon combos that play animation style based on how many combos deep you go into an attack with that warhammer. So the first is going to be like a forward swing. Second is going to be a back swing. The third is going to be swing down and the fourth is going to be some twirl that you do; and that's what we call the combo animation montage.[4]Steven Sharif
  • The number of steps and passive effects that trigger during weapon combos can be customized in the weapon skill tree.[20][21]
We wanted to have a combo length progression available to players so that certain builds could have longer weapon combos and other builds can have shorter weapon combos with more passive effects.; and this has been the result of our exploration. So, when you start out you've got a pretty quick four-hit combo, but whenever you unlock the additional hits you get the fifth and sixth hits, which are at approximately 50% to the overall combo length. But we found that that gave a pretty satisfying floor and ceiling to how long the combo can be.[20]Brian Ferguson
Depending on what your class skill choice has been those are going to have synergy effects with the weapon skill tree. So my skill called spin-to-win might do 30 additional damage on a staggered target. So I see when my proc occurs with the stagger effect on my first swing, like for me as a player I might be only interested in landing that first swing, so every now and then I'm gonna swing once and then I'm gonna use a skill and then I'm gonna come back and swing again because that'll play my first swing montage, because it's been interrupted. So I won't move to the second one because I'm really just wanna hit that stagger effect. So that's going to be how my rotation lines up. However I might have some skill that on a stun target it might be an immediate cast and it's like some power you push or power hit; and that does- it knocks back a stun target. So if the target's stunned when this skill plays, it has an added effect of knock down and now they're gonna get knocked down for an additional two seconds. Now I might spec into that and as a result I want to finish through: swing, swing, and then knock down. So I get my chance at stunning that target with that weapon skill.[4]Steven Sharif
You may have items or set bonuses that change at what level those proc occurs. So I may have a full set of battle armor that changes all third hit combo procs to second hit requirements and now I have a chance not only on my second hit to land that tapering slow but I also have a chance to land my one second stun proc because I have the full set that changes my weapon progression. So that's the way itemization works with your weapon skill tree, is you can enhance when those weapon skill trees become available in your combat montage and that can be a relevant factor in how your skill rotations come to play; and mixes with your weapon attacks.
  • Weapon skill choices and rotations will vary based on whether the player is more focused on PvP or PvE.[4]
Right now some people might just say, "I don't care at all about my weapon attacks. I'm not going to invest a lot of points into that. And if I do, it's going to be primarily PvE focused where I'm more comfortable using just swinging my weapon, and I may not use them as much in PvP. I'm just going to be focused on skill rotations." That's okay, but the reason for those skill montages- back to your question- is they have a very relevant role in when certain procs come online from a weapons skill tree perspective.[4]Steven Sharif
  • Using a skill/ability other than a basic attack will in general reset the combo.[10]
    • The developers are considering specific abilities that might be able to be used without resetting the combo system.[10]
It acts similar in the sense of the core loop of what an auto attack is so to speak; where typically your other skills have a cooldown period, they have a rotation or whatever: Our combo system is a repeatable skill effect that you can continually attack with but it's a little bit more involved than what a traditional auto attack is; and it has components from a from an advancement standpoint when it comes to the types of procs that your weapon can have during that combo system... It's not going to have the quick time event that you guys saw early on in PAX and gave great feedback on, but it is going to have development with regards to the power of the weapon the type of weapon you're using, the additional proc effects that you can skill into: Those types of things are going to make it a little bit more complex of a system capture.[17]Steven Sharif
Q: How will weapon combos work when the weapon doesn't necessarily fit the archetype? For instance, if I'm a Mage and I want to use a bow, how will that work?
A: We're letting players make choices that may not mix as well as other choices; and that's okay. It presents some interesting horizontal options to the player, but at the same time there is going to be something for each archetype or class that's present within each of the weapon skill trees.[22]Steven Sharif

Weapon skills

Alpha-2 work-in-progress Greatsword weapon skill tree.[23]

The intent here is to give you choices. Either I want to extend and improve my combo, or I want just passive benefits that increase my attack speed or crit chance.[24]Brian Ferguson

Weapon skills grant passive skills and proc effects and other status conditions, rather than usable skills on a player's action bar.[25] The more skill points that are allocated to the weapon tree, the greater a player's weapon familiarity with that specific weapon type.[26] This influences things like the number of attacks, attack speed, and increased chances of proc effects from carrying out basic attacks with that weapon. These procs may offer synergy with the player's active skills.[27][28][29][25][30][31][16][32][4][33][34][35][17][36][37] This synergy also applies to active skills from other characters.[28][38]

Weapon skill trees are skill trees that you can unlock and invest points into as you continue to develop your experience with certain weapon types, certain weapon groups, like a dagger; and when you're doing your basic combo attack with those weapons, which is universal for all classes- anybody can use any type of weapon because stats can be changed on these weapon types through crafting and through drops- there will be certain proc effects that live on the weapon skill tree as you advance in them; and those proc effect effects will be able to interact with your archetype skills because they will have promotion type effects that occur when they synergize with one another.[27]Steven Sharif
Our approach is not going to be providing skills through weapons. It's going to be providing skills through classes.[30]Steven Sharif
Q: With weapon leveling, does it mean you will level per weapon type or will it be per weapon; and if I get a better wand, for example, will I still have to level that up again?
A: It's weapon type. So if you start advancing within the wand class of weapons, you will persist that progression across all wands that you acquire.[26]
Let's say a dagger has some slashing effects that bleed the target or that cripple the target... Every time you attack you have a chance to proc that effect. That effect then can synergize with what your active skills tree has available to it. So let's say your backstab deals 30 additional damage to a bleeding target. If you attack with your main weapon first and the target gets the bleed proc off and you do your backstab skill then you're synergizing your effects.[35]Steven Sharif

Weapon skill trees

Weapon skill trees unlock passive skills, proc effects, and status conditions based on a player's experience with each weapon type.[27][28][29][25][30][31][16][32][4][33][34][35][17][36][37] These do not unlock skills that are usable on a player's action bar.[25]

List of weapon skill trees

Hybrid combat

Ranger hybrid combat in Alpha-2.[43]

Our desire has always and continues to be how we can create a mixture of tab target abilities and skill-shot oriented positional, directional-based ability usage and make something cohesive in that design. And I think that what we're achieving with that regard may not fully feel like an action-oriented game, but we've always intended to be more hybrid-oriented, leaning towards tab target. So you're going to see a mixture of abilities that require the targets and that don't; and then you're going to have an option as the player's perspective to utilize an action camera mode, which utilizes a soft target lock feature and our reticle.[44]Steven Sharif

Hard-locked friendly player target.[45]

Hybrid combat refers to the choice between tab and action combat in Ashes of Creation.[44][46][47][48][49][50] A toggle button (default Z, but can be re-bound to another key) allows the player to switch between action and tab combat modes.[44][51][52][53][54]

  • The action mode camera is tied to the to the player's reticle (crosshair).[55][44][56][57]
    • There will likely be a hotkey that when held down will allow free camera movement in action mode.[57]
    • In future the user will have the ability to choose from different reticle appearances.[55][58]
  • Targeted skills require either a soft or hard locked target.[44][56]
    • Soft locking is when the reticle moves over a valid target while in action mode.[55] The targeting plate will appear slightly grayed out to indicate that this is a soft-lock target. If the reticle moves away from the target or the target moves away from the reticle, the target is lost.[56]
    • Hard locking is when the player uses right-mouse on a soft-locked target in action mode, or when the player selects a valid target in tab mode. The targeting plate will not be grayed-out to indicate that a hard-lock target is selected. Unlike soft locking, if the target moves out of the reticle, the target is not lost. Tab will still cycle between hard-locked targets in action mode based on proximity priority.[2][56]
Q: Is the development team moving away from action combat, or is action combat more prevalent with the melee classes, and the healing/range classes are more tab-target other than AoE spells?
A: We have not moved away from our hybrid approach to the development of Ashes of Creation's combat; and specifically to reiterate: that approach is incorporating elements of skill shots, fast and reactive gameplay that is situationally relevant, and incorporates the camera mode of both tab-targeting as well as action combat reticle. That's something that is still in progress. We haven't moved away from that however. To note, our approach of that hybridization is going to incorporate things like templated skill-shots, directionally relevant activated abilities, along with the ability to dodge to roll projectiles that can impact collision. Those are elements of action combat that are present.[62]Steven Sharif

Templated and targeted versions of skills will have different characteristics.[63][51][64][65][66]

Skill progressions, skill point allocation is determined by the player. The player will be able to choose either more tab-target oriented skills or more action-based skills and customize their playable experience to what accommodates their preference. From a balancing standpoint for us developers, we need to make sure that certain abilities house certain functions so that there's a balance between skill shots and tab-target abilities.[65]Steven Sharif
  • Targeted skills will be greyed out if the target is not within a valid range but templated skills will generally require the player to assess the correct range for the skill.[67]
info-orange.pngSome of the following information has not been recently confirmed by the developers and may not be on the current development roadmap.
  • It may not be possible to be able to fully spec into just action or tab targeted skills. There might be a 75% cap on choosing skills from any one type.[65]
  • For the purposes of balance, certain skill types will be either tab or action oriented skills.[69]
    • Hard CCs may be housed in action oriented skills because they are skill shots that are more difficult to land.[69][65]
    • Softer CC's would be housed in tab-targeted abilities.[69]
As an example: Let's say you're playing a ranged class. You could have an action-oriented power shot in your skill tree or you could have a single target power shot that ramps up and does more damage.[66]Steven Sharif

See also


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